Paul Bee, president of the Supervisory Board of Caja Madrid. / Kiko Huesca (AP)
Bees Pablo (Seville, 1954) answers the phone a few hours after being ousted as CEO of Economics at Madrid in the case of opaque cards Caja Madrid. Between 2003 and 2011 the exconsejero entity and former president of the Control Commission charged charges amounting to 246,700 euros to visas regardless of expenses. The judge sees evidence of misappropriation.
question. How many cards did Caja Madrid and for what use?
Answer. A, was completely transparent. When I get to the box in 2006, Enrique de la Torre gives me and tells me it’s part of my pay, I have a spending limit, I can not take money or have inappropriate expenditures. And I say no I have to give a monthly statement
P What limit was
” I stated what Caja Madrid declared by me, was responsible “
R. There were 25,000 euros a year. The next year I doubled it to about 4,000 per month for chairing the Supervisory Board.
P. What expenses were inadequate?
R . The rent, schools …
“It’s money that I got to spend it. I defend my honor “
P. But it was not for expenses.
R. also … That card was from 1988, creates Jaime Terceiro [president of Caja Madrid], and since then spent hundreds of Bank of Spain inspectors, auditors, managers, presidents … It was a known and legal corporations in the world practice. It seems that making money is a crime in Spain, but I earned more in Telefónica. In a financial institution you have many responsibilities, even criminal. We can argue whether it is much or not.
P. You did not state what I got from that card?
R. No, I stated that Caja Madrid stated by me, that is responsible. This was a bank. 10 or 15 years ago in Spain nobody would have questioned a bank declared he owed.
P. Why reward with a card for expenses?
R. I do not know, I would have preferred as salary. A Hacienda was fine. The Bank of Spain also saw in corporate governance. I’m not even indicted. It has organized a pack, but I have not done anything. My conscience. I got the money to spend. There was a conspiracy to steal, but an established practice.
P. He drew money from the ATM?
R. You never, had the pin, but in any case, the card has no criminal liability would be tax. Finance and I will tell them everything they put the box for me.
P. The judge does appreciate indications of a possible misappropriation.
R. The judge has seen this much higher because the external auditor says no. It points to administrators. I had no executive powers, but control function of the board, and more than once I put on the spot by the car, the Miami bank, a house … Blesa wanted me to take, I was chased by land, sea and air .
P. The Control Committee should ensure the independence, these alternative payments can question it.
R. No, because they gave it to everyone and could not suspend me the card. It is a witch hunt. There are still those cards. Now it is more governed and there is a party and the other states are spending. Until 2009 or 2010, Hacienda, if not exceed certain proportion of salary, he gets himself. And governments have passed all kinds. I defend my honor.
P. says that everyone knew, but today have been hands on his head the government, the PSOE and unions.
R. is a lie. Everyone knew the cards, but we’re in a theater, and in pre-election period, and no one recognizes anything, but it’s not true. Ask the Bank of Spain or the Treasury.
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